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>> A BEACH PARTY THAT GOT OUT OF CONTROL AND TURNED INTO ONE OF THE NATION' MOST CELEBRATED MUSICAL FESTIVALS.

35 YEARS OF THE FRANK BROWN INTERNATIONAL SONGWRITERS' FESTIVAL ON THIS EDITION OF INSTUDIO.

♪ >> ON THIS SNOW WHITE SHORES OF THE GULF OF MEXICO, AT THE FLORIDA ALABAMA LINE, LIES A BEACH SIDE HONKY TONK WHERE SONGWRITERS GATHERED FOR THREE DECADES TO TELL STORIES THROUGH SONG.

IT IS A CONGREGATION OF THE HUMAN SPIRT.

THE RIGHT LIGHTS OF STARDOM TRADED FOR WARM GLOW OF INTIMATE STAGE.

HERE THE SONGWRITERS COME TO BE HEARD AND EVERYONE ELSE COMES TO LISTEN.

IN THE HALLOWED HALLS OF THE LEGENDARY FLORABAMA LOUNGE, THEIR MUSIC LIVES FOREVER.

>> THAT IS A CLIP FROM AN UPCOMING DOCUMENTARY ENTITLED "STORIES IN RHYME", PRODUCED AND DIRECTED BY LYNN RABREN.

MORE CLIPS FROM THAT DOCUMENTARY LATER IN THE PROGRAM.

FOR NEARLY THREE AND A HALF DECADES NOW, A HONKY TONK THAT STRADDLES THE FLORIDA ALABAMA LINE HAS BEEN THE FOCAL POINT OF WHAT'S BECOME A STORIED MUSICAL EVENT.

THE FRANK BROWN INTERNATIONAL SONGWRITERS' FESTIVAL.

ON THIS EDITION OF INSTUDIO, WE'LL FIND OUT HOW IT ALL BEGAN, WE'LL LOOK AT WHAT IT HAS BECOME AND HEAR ABOUT SOME OF THE LEGENDARY PARTICIPANTS.

OUR GUESTS, KNOW THE EVENT WELL.

JOE GILCHRIST IS FOUNDER AND PRESIDENT OF THE FRANK BROWN INTERNATIONAL SONGWRITERS' FESTIVAL, BACK IN 1984 HE WAS LOOKING FOR A WAY TO HAVE SOME FUN AFTER THE SUMMER TOUR SEASON.

SO WHAT STARTED AS A LITTLE BEACH PARTY HAS TURNED INTO A FESTIVAL THAT SHOWCASES SOME OF THE GREAT LEGENDS OF SONG WRITING WHILE ALSO HIGHLIGHTING THE NEW UP AND COMERS.

GILCHRIST IS RESPECTED AND ADMIRED WITHIN THE SONG WRITING COMMUNITY.

SINGER SONG WRITER KIM CARSON CALLED JOE, THE PATRON SAINT OF SONGWRITERS.

JERRY SALLEY IS AN ACCOMPLISHED WRITER AND PERFORMER FINDING SUCCESS IN COUNTRY, BLUEGRASS AND GOSPEL.

HIS ACCOLADES ARE NUMEROUS INCLUDING BEING NAMED 2003 CSAC COUNTRY MUSIC SONG WRITER OF THE YEAR AND IN 2019 HE IS A NOMINEE TO BE INDUCTED TO THE NASHVILLE SONGWRITERS HALL OF FAME.

SEVERAL YEARS BACK ANDY HAYNES RETIRED FROM A LONG SUCCESSFUL CAREER IN SALES AND MARKETING BUT OVER TIME HE HAD BECOME A BIG FAN AND VOLUNTEER AT THE FRANK BROWN INTERNATIONAL SONGWRITERS FESTIVAL SO WHEN THE POSITION OF DIRECTOR OPENED UP, THE FESTIVALS BOARD OF DIRECTORS SAW ABOUT OPPORTUNITY TO PUT HAYNES'S BUSINESS EXPERIENCE AND PASSION TO GOOD WORK.

HE BECAME DIRECTOR OF THE FRANK BROWN INTERNATIONAL SONGWRITERS FESTIVAL IN 2016.

PEGGY BUTLER IS VICE PRESIDENT OF THE FRANK BROWN INTERNATIONAL SONGWRITERS FESTIVAL BOARD OF DIRECTORS AS WELL AS SERVING ON THE FESTIVAL FOUNDATION.

SHE'S WIDOW OF LARRY BUTLER, AND IN 2015 LAUNCHED THE LARRY BUTLER MEMORIAL MUSIC FUND AT THE UNIVERSITY OF WEST FLORIDA.

THUS FAR THE FUND RAISED $140,000 TO HELP STUDENTS PURSUE THEIR DREAMS.

WELCOME TO YOU ALL.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE.

>> THANK YOU.

>> GLAD TO BE HERE.

>> JOE, BEGINNING WITH YOU HOW DID YOU GET THIS OFF THE GROUND?

WHAT WERE YOU THINKING?

>> I'M NOT SURE I WAS THINKING.

THE IDEA OF PUTTING PEOPLE TO CREATE MUSIC IN FRONT OF PEOPLE WE HAD SONGWRITERS AT FLORABAMA.

SO WE STARTED MEETING MORE AND MORE CHARACTERS AND THOUGHT IT WAS A WAY FOR US TO SHOW RESPECT TO MR. FRANK SO WE DID A THING AT THE SAENGER THEATRE WHERE WE BROUGHT IN PEOPLE AND I LOST 10 GRAND DOING IT.

I MIGHT AS WELL BE DOING IT AT THE BEACH AND HAVING FUN WITH IT.

SO IT WENT FROM A THING WE DID ON SUNDAY AFTERNOON TO HONOR MR. FRANK BROWN THE NIGHT WATCHMAN TO WHERE WE FILLED UP THE WEEKEND, ANOTHER WEEKEND AND NOW WE'RE AT 25 TO 30 OTHER LOCATIONS IN THE AREA, AND IT'S WAY TO BRING OVER 200 SINGER SONGWRITERS TOGETHER.

SOME HAD COMMERCIAL SUCCESS, SOME ARE JUST STARTING OUT.

BUT IT'S A WAY TO SHOW RESPECT TO THE CRAFT.

>> LET ME ASK YOU THIS.

TELL US WHO FRANK BROWN WAS AND WHY WAS HE SO IMPORTANT?

>> MR. FRANK WAS OUR NIGHT WATCHMAN AT THE FLORABAMA AND HE DID A GREAT JOB KEEPING MUSICIANS OUT OF TROUBLE.

AND KEEPING OTHER PEOPLE OUT OF TROUBLE.

HE WAS A LARGE MAN THAT USUALLY WENT AROUND WITH A BADGE AND COUPLE OF SIX GUNS AND SO WE WERE -- FLORABAMA WAS THE WILD WEST IN '78, HERE IS A PICTURE OF HIM,HE WAS JUST AN AMAZING MAN, WE LOVED HIM SO THIS IS A WAY TO SHOW RESPECT TO HIM FOR ALL THE THINGS HE HAD DONE FROM NOT JUST REST OF HIS LIFE BUT FOR A LONG TIME.

>> JERRY, YOU ARE A SONG WRITER WHEN DID YOU FIRST GET INVOLVED?

>> I THINK THE FIRST YEAR I PLAYED WAS 1992.

AND THAT WAS THE FIRST YEAR DOWN HERE, PLAYED A LITTLE PLACE CALLED THE BAREFOOT BAR OVER IN GULF SHORES, IT'S NO LONGER THERE.

AND THEN THE NEXT YEAR JOE WAS KIND ENOUGH TO INVITE ME AND LARRY AND CARL JACKSON OVER TO PERFORM ON A SUNDAY EVENING, IT WAS THE FIRST TIME I MET JOE.

JOE -- I THINK A SONGWRITERSES BEST FRIEND IS WHAT I WOULD CALL JOE.

HE -- WE BECAME FRIENDS AND THAT'S ONE OF THE GREAT THINGS ABOUT THIS FESTIVAL IS THE WAY YOU MAKE RELATIONSHIPS.

I HAVE FRIENDS HERE THAT I HAVE% BEEN FRIENDS WITH NOW FOR 27 YEARS.

THAT I KEEP IN TOUCH WITH ALL YEAR LONG.

AND WE HAVE KIND OF A FAMILY REUNION EVERY YEAR IN NOVEMBER WHEN WE GET TOGETHER.

>> TELL ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT, WHAT'S THE CULTURE LIKE AROUND THE FRANK BROWN INTERNATIONAL SONGWRITERS' FESTIVAL?

>> IT'S A LOT OF FUN, IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO KICK BACK AND SHOW RESPECT TO EACH OTHER.

IT'S REALLY KIND OF FUNNY BECAUSE NASHVILLE IS A SMALL LARGE TOWN, MUSIC COMMUNITY IS SMALL.

BUT BECAUSE WE'RE ALL SO BUSY WORKING, WRITING PERFORMING, MOST OF THE TIME OUT OF TOWN, VERY SELDOM DO WE GET TO HANG OUT WITH EACH OTHER.

THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO GO SUPPORT EACH OTHER'S SHOWS, I REMEMBER THE FIRST TIME I MET A GENTLEMAN NAMED ROCKHILLO AND HE HAD A BAND CALLED THE DIXIE FLYERS AND THE FIRST TIME I SAW HIM WAS AT THE FLORABAMA.

TALK ABOUT BECOMING A HUGE FAN, HE PLAYED A SONG THAT NIGHT CALLED THE HOUSE AT THE END OF THE ROAD AND I WAS IN TEARS AT THAT TIME END OF THE NIGHT.

IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR PEOPLE YOU NEVER HEARD BEFORE BECOME FANS OF THEIRS, SUPPORT YOUR FRIENDS THAT YOU NEVER GET TO GO SEE AND HEAR.

AND IT'S JUST A GREAT TIME.

THEY TREAT US SO WELL HERE.

AND IT'S JUST A FUN TIME.

>> ANY OF YOU GET TOGETHER AND WRITE A SONG DURING THIS?

>> WE HAVE CERTAINLY DONE THAT.

MORE THAN ONCE.

NOT ONLY WRITTEN SONGS BUT WE HAD GUITAR POOLS THAT LASTED INTO THE WEE HOURS.

>> I CAN IMAGINE.

PEGGY TELL ME YOUR INVOLVEMENT, WHEN DID YOU FIRST GET INVOLVED?

LARRY BEING FROM PENSACOLA AND KNOWING JOE, THE LATE '80s.

AND IT JUST KIND OF KEPT MORPHING TO WHERE IT IS AND THE RELATIONSHIP BECAUSE I LOVE SONGWRITERS.

BEING WITH LARRY I HAVE INVOLVED ITH EVERY PART OF T. BUT AS A PRODUCER WHEN HE WON GRAMMY FOR PRODUCER OF THE YEAR HE THANK THE SONGWRITERS FOR GIVING THE TOOLS TO WORK WITH BECAUSE HE FELT VERY STRONGLY AND HE WAS A REALLY GOOD -- HE WAS A GOOD WRITER BUT HE KNEW A HIT SONG.

I TRULY KNOW THAT.

AND IT WAS JUST I GUESS NATURAL PROGRESSION LOVING THE BEACH, LOVING PENSACOLA, LOVING SONGWRITERS, IT JUST HAPPENED.

I LOVE EVERYTHING ABOUT IT.

I HAD MORE MAGICAL MOMENTS WITH THIS FESTIVAL THAN ANY PART OF MUSIC BUSINESS.

>> ANDY WHAT ABOUT YOU?

YOU STARTED OUT BASICALLY AS A VOLUNTEER HELPING OUT FOR FUN, HUH?

>> I DID.

I BEGAN COMING TO THE SONGWRITERS FESTIVAL IN THE MID '90s.

AND I MOVE TO THE AREA IN 1999 AND ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS I DID WAS CALL JOE AND SAY HOW CAN I HELP?

HE SAID BECOME A VOLUNTEER.

MY WIFE AND I DID THAT YEAR AND DID SO UP UNTIL 2016 WHEN I RETIRED AND THIS POSITION HAPPENED TO COME OPEN, I WILL TELL YOU, I DEVELOPED A LOVE AND A PASSION AND DEVOTION TO THE MUSIC AND TO THE PEOPLE THAT I HAVE MET THROUGH THIS FESTIVAL, IT'S LIKE VERY FEW OTHER THINGS IN MY LIFETIME, THERE'S A LOT OF MAGIC, IN THAT MAIN ROOM AT THE FLORABAMA YOU CAN FEEL THE AIR, I MEAN IT'S JUST REALLY I LOOK AROUND THE CROWD AND SEE- PEOPLE WITH THEIR -- THAT GUY WROTE THAT?

OH MY GOODNESS.

IT'S JUST SOMEBODY ASKED ME RECENTLY SAID HOW DO YOU JUDGE SUCCESS OF THE FESTIVAL?

IT WAS IN THE COURSE OF WRITING A GRANT APPLICATION AND THEY ARE LOOKING FOR CONCRETE -- I SAID BY ALL THE SMILES ON THE SONGWRITERS FACES AS WELL AS ATTENDEES THAT'S NOT THE ANSWER THEY WERE LOOKING FOR BUT THAT'S HOW I FEEL ABOUT THE FESTIVAL.

>> TO THAT, ANDY I WANT TO SAY DON SWITZER AT THE GAMBLER HELPED ME WITH FUND.

HE PLAYS FOUR TIMES A YEAR IN THE MAIN RING.

HE SAID I DON'T WANT TO PLAY ANYWHERE BUT THE GRAND OPRY NASHVILLE AND THE FLORABAMA.

THAT'S STRONG.

SO THE MAGIC IS NOT JUST AUDIENCE BUT THE PLAYERS TOO, DON'T YOU AGREE?

>> 100%.

YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT LARRY BEING SO SUPPORTIVE.

HE WAS ONE OF THE MOST INCREDIBLE PEOPLE THAT I HAVE EVER MET.

I DIDN'T REALLY KNOW LARRY THAT WELL.

WHEN I STARTED IN NASHVILLE.

BUT I GOT TO KNOW HIM SO MUCH BETTER WHEN I STARTED TO COME DOWN HERE AND GETTING TO KNOW Y'ALL.

YOU TALK ABOUT A SUPPORTER, HE'S THE EPITOME OF IT ALL BEGINS WITH A SONG.

FROM >> AND LATER IN THE PROGRAM, WE HAVE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF A SPECIAL SEGMENT THAT WE WILL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT LARRY AND I PLAY SOME VIDEO CLIPS AND SO CERTAINLY MAKE SURE YOUR STICK AROUND FOR THAT.

WHAT MAKES A GREAT SONG WRITER, JERRY?

>> WHY DIDN'T YOU ASK ME AN EASY QUESTION?

>> I DON'T KNOW, I TEACH A LOT OF WORKSHOPS AND SO FORTH.

I THINK IT'S A GOD-GIVEN TALENT, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I CAN TEACH RHYME SCHEME, I CAN TEACH STRUCTURE, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS YOU CAN TEACH HOW TO PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER.

BUT IF IT DOESN'T COME FROM HERE,, THERE'S SOMETHING YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO GET FROM HERE AND DIG DOWN SO DEEP TO MAKE IT RELATABLE TO EVERYBODY THAT HEARS IT.

I HAD SOME OF THE GREATEST TEACHERS WHEN I MENTORS WHEN I WAS GROWING UPCOMING UP THROUGH THE RANKS THERE IN NASHVILLE.

WITHOUT THEIR HELP I WOULDN'T BE SITTING HERE TALKING TO YOU NOW SO I TRY TO GIVE SOME OF THAT BACK BUT AS FAR AS WHAT MAKES A GREAT SONG WRITER IS SOMEONE WHO CAN RELATE -- MAKE YOU FEEL THAT THEY REALLY DID EXPERIENCE WHAT THEY ARE WRITING.

I HAVE WRITTEN SO MANY SONGS, I LOVE TO WRITE STORY SONGS.

I WRITE A LOT ABOUT SONGS THAT I DID NOT HAVE A PERSONAL EXPERIENCE WITH.

SOME PEOPLE SAY I CAN ONLY WRITE THAT IF I EXPERIENCE IT.

I BELIEVE A GREAT SONG WRITER CAN MAKE YOU BELIEVE IF THEY EVER LIVE IT THAT'S MY PERSONAL OPINION.

I DON'T WANT TO LIVE SOME OF THE SONGS I HAVE WRITTEN ABOUT.

>> JEFF, THERE IN LIES PART OF THE BEAUTY OF THE SONGWRITERS FESTIVAL TO BE IN THE ROOM AND UP CLOSE TO THESE GUYS AND TO HAVE JERRY TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH WHAT HE JUST DESCRIBED TO YOU AND FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO EXPERIENCE THAT IS REALLY QUITE AN EXPERIENCE, IT'S BEAUTIFUL.

>> WHO MOST INFLUENCED YOU EARLY ON WHEN YOU FIRST STARTED WADING INTHE SONG WRITING COMMUNITY?

>> IT GOES BACK, I THERE WAS A R CALLED TOWNHOUSE IN PENSACOLA WHEN I FIRST CAME BACK FROM TEACHING IN CALIFORNIA AND I STARTED MEETING PEOPLE THAT WERE CREATIVE AND THAN THAT REAWAKENED MY APPRECIATION OF MUSIC.

GETTING BACK TO SONGWRITERS THE CRUX OF IT IS THESE ARE PEOPLE WHAT WHEN THEY PERFORM OR WHEN THEY WRITE A SONG AND YOU ARE LISTENING TO IT, MOST PEOPLE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO EXPRESS THEIR EMOTIONS AT THAT LEVEL.

SO THE AUTHORITY DEAL IS HERE IS A PERSON THAT MAKES YOU FEEL BETTER ABOUT YOUR ABILITY TO EXPRESS YOURSELF WHEN YOU ARE -- YOU ARE DOING IT YOU ARE HELPING IN ESSENCE A PERSON FEEL EMOTIONS.

I THINK THAT'S A VERY VALUABLE PART OF THE SONG WRITING EXPERIENCE.

YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO LET YOURSELF GO, DON'T YOU?

>> I HAVE VIRTUALLY NO CREATIVE TALENT.

MY JOB IS TO BRING CHARACTERS TOGETHER.

>> I'LL THROW THAT YOU, JERRY AND PEGGY TOO, YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO OPEN YOURSELF UP, DON'T YOU?

>> YOU DO.

THERE IS A LOT OF MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE THAT DOES THESE SONGS, OR DO COME OUT OF THESE SONGS.

I DON'T NECESSARILY WANT EVERYBODY TO KNOW EXACTLY WHICH PIECES THOSE ARE.

I HAVE POETIC LICENSE TO CHANGE NAMES AND LOCATIONS OF CERTAIN SITUATIONS.

IT'S ALL ABOUT EMOTION.

YOU WANT TO MAKE SOMEBODY FEEL SOMETHING WHETHER YOU MAKE THEM LAUGH, CRY, YOU WANT TO CREATE AN EMOTION AND IF YOU DON'T DO THAT IN YOUR SONG, YOU NEED TO DO SOMETHING ELSE.

>> YOU PROBABLY SAW A LOT OF THAT, PEGGY.

>> I SAW A LOT OF IT.

I CAME FROM ROGER MILLER AND LARRY BUTLER AND ALL THESE PEOPLE IN MY LIVING ROOM.

I ALWAYS SAID THE MAIN ROOM IS WHAT MY LIVING ROOM USED TO BE LIKE.

AND I LOVE THAT.

I WILL HAVE TO CLEAN IT UP.

>> THAT'S TRUE.

THAT'S RIGHT.

WE ARE HAVING A GREAT CONVERSATION HERE ABOUT THE FRANK BROWN INTERNATIONAL SONGWRITERS FESTIVAL AND ALSO ABOUT SONGWRITERS IN GENERAL AND SOME OF THE CHARACTERS WHO HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN IT OVER THE YEARS.

THIS IS INSTUDIO WSRE TELEVISION PBS FOR THE GULF COAST.

WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE OUR CONVERSATION ABOUT THE SONGWRITERS FESTIVAL WHICH BY THE WAY WE'LL BE CELEBRATING 35 YEARS THIS NOVEMBER.

RIGHT NOW I WANT TO SHOW YOU ANOTHER CLIP FROM AN UPCOMING DOCUMENTARY ABOUT THE FESTIVAL PRODUCE AND DIRECTEDLY LYNN RABREN, THE NAME IS "STORIES IN RHYME" ♪ WOKE UP THIS MORNING, >> THE SONG WRITER IS A RARE BREED.

♪ THREE CORDS ON THE GUITAR MAYBE, IN THOSE THREE CORDS THEY CAN FIND A UNIVERSE OF EXPRESSION.

WHEN YOU HEAR THE SONG WRITER SING THE SONG THE PERSON WHO WROTE IT YOU ARE HEARING THAT SONG FOR THE FIRST TIME.

♪ >> AND NOW YOU HAVE SOMETHING LIKE A BIG SONG WRITING FESTIVAL AT THE FLORABAMA, IT IS TAKING THAT MESSAGE TO THE WORLD AND SAYING HERE IS HOW THE MUSIC YOU LOVE IS FORMED AND CRAFTED AND CREATED.

>> I WAS INTRODUCED TO THE FRANK BROWN FESTIVAL BY WAYNE CARSON.

YOU NEED TO GO WITH ME, GRAB YOU A BAG.

♪ AIN'T GOT TIME TO TAKE THE FAST TRAIN ♪ ♪ I'M COMING HOME.

>> THE FUN THING WAS GETTING TO MEET THE PEOPLE, SONGS THAT I GREW UP ON.

SONGS THAT MADE ME WANT TO BE A WRITER.

MADE ME WANT TO SING.

♪ NOTHING ON BUT THE RADIO ♪ >> THIS PLACE HOLDS SO MUCH TRADITION, SO MANY OF THE GREATS THAT CAME THROUGH HERE AND PLAYED AT THIS FESTIVAL.

♪ I FALL TO PIECES ♪ >> THE GURU THIS WHOLE FESTIVAL IS JOE GILCHRIST.

>> THE IDEA WAS TO BRING AS MANY ECCENTRIC CHARACTERS AS POSSIBLE TOGETHER TO PLAY MUSIC FOR THEM AND SEE WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED.

>> SO JOE, WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED?

>> SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL THE NEXT DAY TO FIGURE IT OUT.

IT'S MY BELIEF IF YOU GET AN INTERESTING ENOUGH GROUP OF CHARACTERS TOGETHER AND MIX WITH AN INTERESTING AUDIENCE, I ALWAYS FELT LIKE OUR EMPLOYEES AT THE FLORABAMA WERE PART OF IT TOO AND YOU STIR IT UP, TURN PEOPLE LOOSE, AMAZING THE HIGH QUALITY THINGS YOU GET TO EXPERIENCE WITH PEOPLE.

THAT HAVE A CHANCE TO SHOW THEIR CREATIVE FREEDOM.

I'M PROUD TO ENCOURAGE THAT.

>> TAKE A LOOK AT GUYS PLAYING ON THAT HANK COCHRAN, DEAN DILLON, MICKEY.

>> I FIRST STARTED HEARING HIS SONGS BACK IN THE TOWNHOUSE IN THE EARLY '70s, I WAS AMAZED FOR HIM THE COME DOWN HERE AND BE ONE OF MY BEST FRIENDS WAS AMAZING.

HANK COCHRAN I MET ON HIS BOAT JUST COMING THROUGH THE AREA.

AND HANK IS A LEGEND, THAT WAS THE NAME OF HIS BOAT, LEGEND.

HE WROTE NUMBER ONE SONGS IN SIX DIFFERENT DECADES.

STARTED WITH GIRL EYES HE WROTE A SONG CALLED LITTLE BITTY TEAR LET ME DOWN, HAD THE FACE OF A CLOWN MADE UP NOT TO MAKE A FROWN BUT A LITTLE BITTY TEAR LET ME DOWN.

JUST BEAUTIFUL EMOTIONS.

AND HE HAD AN 8TH GRADE EDUCATION BUT HE USED THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE BEFORE THAN ANY Ph.D.

I EVER MET.

>> AMAZING.

DEAN DILLON IN THERE, YOU THINK ABOUT IT.

GEORGE STRAIT SONGS, MY FAVORITE MARINA DELRAY SONG.

>> I LIVED THERE AT ONE TIME SO WHEN DEAN FIRST CAME DOWN HERE THAT WAS ONE OF THE SONGS THAT HE HAD SAID HE HAD WRITTEN.

OF COURSE LIKE MOST PEOPLE I HAD NO IDEA WHO WROTE WHAT.

>> RIGHT.

>> IT'S A TREASURE DROVE OF WONDERFUL CHARACTERS.

SHE LIVED IN NASHVILLE MORE, PEGGY DID, SO SHE WAS AROUND MORE THOSE PEOPLE BUT WE ALSO HAD GREAT WRITERS DOWN HERE, KILLAM BETTER JERRY LEWIS OTHERS THAT CAME FROM THIS AREA.

>> 'S BEEN A WONDERFUL EXPERIENCE JUST TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE WHO'S ART MAKES THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE.

>> WE MENTIONED THAT EARLIER, THE FACT THAT NOT JUST THE LEGENDS COMING DOWN THE PLAY BUT ALSO UP AND COMERS AND EVEN I WILL SAY THIS, I GUESS A LITTLE SELF-SERVING BUT SO BE IT.

I KNOW YOU HAVE THE YOUTH SHOWCASE AND MY DAUGHTER WHO HAPPENS TO BE A SINGER SONG WRITER PLAYED IN THAT A COUPLE OF TIMES.

ANDY TALK ABOUT THAT MORE ABOUT HOW THE FESTIVAL IS EXPANDING BEYOND JUST THE LEGEND SO SO TO SPEAK.

>> >> I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT.

MOST OF THE ICONS OF THE MUSIC WRITING BUSINESS THE LAST HALF OF THE 20th CENTURY WERE PART OF THE SONGWRITERS FESTIVAL AND NOW NURTURING AS YOU OBSERVE THE YOUNG PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING ALONG, AND ALSO THE HOT SONGWRITERS OF THIS DAY AND TIME.

BUT FOR NUMBER OF YEARS NOW WE HAVE STAGED A YOUTH SHOWCASE IN GULF SHORES AND WE ARE GOING TO START DOING IT IN PENSACOLA AS WELL WHERE WE INVITE YOUNG PEOPLE TO COME IN THE AND PLAY THEIR ORIGINAL SONGS IN FRONT OF THEIR PEERS AND WE HAVE A PANEL OF PROFESSIONAL SONGWRITERS THAT CRITIQUE THEIR WORKS AND THE WINNER GETS A SPOT IN THE NEXT YEAR FRANK BROWN SONGWRITERS FESTIVAL, THAT'S A GOOD THING, WE ARE SENDING SONGWRITERS INTO SCHOOLS ON A YEAR AROUND BASIS THESE DAYS, IT'S NOT JUST TO GO IN AND PUT ON A SHOW, IT'S TO GO TEACH THE ART AND CRAFT SONG WRITING TO HOPEFULLY STIMULATE THE CREATIVITY ON THE PART OF THE STUDENTS AND HOPEFULLY THAT SPILLS OVER IN THEIR OTHER INTO THEIR OTHER ACADEMIC ENDEAVORS.

AND YOU ALLUDED TO THE FACT THAT WE HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH PEGGY, BLESS HER HEART, SHE DOES AN INCREDIBLE JOB OF KEEPING THE MEMORY OF LARRY ALIVE AND DOING SOMETHING GOOD FOR THE YOUNG PEOPLE OF THE COMMUNITY AT THE SAME TIME, LARRY BUTLER MEMORIAL MUSIC FUND AT THE UNIVERSITY OF WEST FLORIDA.

WHERE WE RAISED A GOOD BIT OF MONEY, THAT ENABLES STUDENTS TO GO TO COMPETITIONS ALL OVER THE WORLD.

IT'S BOUGHT INSTRUMENTS, IT'S MADE IMPROVEMENTS TO CLASSROOMS OVER THERE IN STUDIOS ON THE CAMPUS.

WE PROVIDE LESSONS MUSIC LESSONS FOR UNDERPRIVILEGED KIDS, IT'S A FAR-REACHING THING THAT REALLY A BIG PART OF WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO TO BROADEN OUR IMPACT IN THE COMMUNITY.

>> AND WE WILL TALK MORE ABOUT THAT IN ANOTHER SEGMENT BECAUSE I HAVE SOME VIDEO OF LARRY AND WE ARE GOING TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THAT.

BUT LET ME ASK YOU ANOTHER QUESTION.

THE FESTIVAL HAS EXPANDED OUT.

WE INITIALLY TALKED ABOUT IT LIKE BEING AT THE FLORABAMA AROUND MAYBE THE GULF SHORES AREA.

TALK HOW IT'S EXPANDED TO OTHER VENUES AND ACROSS THE GULF COAST.

>> SOME MIGHT SAY IT'S GOTTEN OUT OF HAND.

WE'LL BE FROM NOVEMBER 7 THROUGH THE 17th WE WILL BE IN 31 VENUES FROM FAIR HOPE TO DOWNTOWN PENSACOLA AND EVERY POINT IN BETWEEN.

I WOULD LASTEN TO POINT OUT IN CHURCHES DOING GOSPEL CONCERT, JERRY WILL DO A GOSPEL CONCERT IN THE CHURCH DURING THE FESTIVAL, FAMILY FRIENDLY RESTAURANTS, YES IN BARS, WE WILL BE IN ART GALLERIES.

SO THERE'S ALL KINDS OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE TO GO AND SEE TO WITNESS FIRSTHAND THE INCREDIBLE WORLD OF SONG WRITING IN SUPER FRIENDLY ENVIRONMENTS.

IT'S JUST THERE'S NOTHING ELSE LIKE IT THAT AUTHORS THE VARIETY OF PLACES THAT YOU CAN GO AND IN LOT OF CASES SIT FROM ME TO RIGHT HERE, THAT CLOSE TO SONG WRITER AND LISTEN TO STORIES AND LISTEN TO THE SONGS.

A LOT OF CASES SIX MONTHS LATER YOU GO MY GOD I HEARD THAT AT SONGWRITERS FESTIVAL, IT'S A NUMBER ONE HIT.

>> JERRY, HE'S ANDY IS TALKING THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF GENRES SO WHETHER IT BE COUNTRY OR GOSPEL AND I KNOW YOU WRITE COUNTRY BLUEGRASS GOSPEL, IS ONE MORE DIFFICULT THAN THE OTHER OR JUST A GOOD SONG?

>> GOOD SONG IS A GOOD SONG.

I MEAN WHEN YOU HAVE DONE AS LONG AS I HAVE AND I LOVE TO WRITE.

I DON'T GET DO ENOUGH OF IT SEEMS LIKE.

YOU KNOW WHEN YOU GET ONE -- I CALL IT THE CHILL FACTOR, YOU GET THE GOOSE BUMPS WHEN YOU FEEL THAT SOMEONE ELSE IS GOING TO FEEL IT TOO.

BUT AS FAR AS THE DIFFERENT GENRES, THEY ARE ALL -- I'LL BE TOTALLY HONEST NOTHING IS MORE AGGREGATING THAN TO HAVE SAY A GOSPEL SONG WRITER COMPANY AND SAY MAN I WANT TO WRITE A BLUEGRASS SONG BUT THEY DON'T -- AND I WILL SAY WHAT IS YOUR FAVORITE BLUE GRASS ARTIST?

I DON'T HAVE ONE OR WHAT IS YOUR FAVORITE RECORD?

I DON'T HAVE ONE.

MAYBE THAT -- YOU NEED TO KNOW WHAT YOU ARE WRITING ABOUT.

YOU NEED TO KNOW YOUR AUDIENCE AND YOU NEED TO KNOW THAT STYLE OF MUSIC.

THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE IN WHAT I DO.

I USE A LOT OF SAME -- I LIKE TO DO BE CONVERSATIONAL IN MY LYRICS BUT YOU HAVE TO KNOW THE DIFFERENT STYLES OF MUSIC AND THE DIFFERENT STYLES OF FEELS AND THAT KIND OF THING.

TO BE ABLE TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THE DIFFERENT GENRES BUT ONE IS NO MORE DIFFICULT THAN THE OTHER.

THEY ARE ALL -- GET IT RIGHT, TAKE YOUR TIME.

SOMEBODY TOLD ME I FIRST CAME TO NASHVILLE A GREAT SONG ISN'T WRITTEN, IT'S REWRITTEN.

I HAVE TAKEN THAT TO HEART.

THERE ARE TIMES A GUY THROWS IT DOWN SO FAST YOU CAN'T WRITE IT FAST ENOUGH AND IT CAN END UP BEING GOOD.

BUT MOST OF THE TIME I GO BACK AND LOOK AND LOOK AGAIN AND MAKE SURE THAT EVERY SINGLE WORK IS ONE WORD CAN CHANGE EVERY LINE OR SONG.

>> I THINK NEWBERRY WAS A GREAT WRITER.

HE CONSTANTLY REWROTE.

HE FELT LIKE IF HE COULD TAKE THE SONG AND MAKE IT CLEAR, OR IN MANY CASES HE WOULD TAKE WORDS OR PHRASES OUT, BECAUSE THEN IT ALLOWED THE PERSON LISTENING TO THE SONG TO MAYBE FILL IT IN WITH THEIR OWN EMOTIONAL EXPERIENCES, HE WAS A GENIUS AT ENCOURAGING YOU AS THE LISTENER TO BE IN ESSENCE PART OF THE SONG.

BECAUSE YOUR PERSONAL EMOTIONS GET INVOLVED IN IT.

>> WHEN I INTERVIEWED LARRY, WE TALKED ABOUT -- THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HE SAID IN THE INTERVIEW THAT WAS TALKING ABOUT KEEPING IT SIMPLISTIC AND I REMEMBER HIM SAYING -- YOU TELL US MORE BUT I REMEMBER HIM SAYING SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT SOMEBODY GAVE HIM SOME ADVICE EARLY ON AND OF COURSE HE WAS AWESOME PIANO PLAYER.

>> HE WENT TO NASHVILLE TO BE A SESSION MUSICIAN.

AND THEN ALL HIS BUT DIWERE WRITING SONGS, CARLY PUTMAN, ROGER MILLER AND HE SAID I WANT TO BE ONE TOO.

AND SO HE WENT TO BUDDY KILLEN AD TREE PUBLISHING AND SAY I WANT TO BE A SONG WRITER.

OKAY WRITE ME A SONG.

LARRY STARTED WRITING SONGS BUT EVERYTHING HE WROTE WAS ON THE PIANO HE BASICALLY HAD NO LIMITATIONS SO HE WAS SO -- FINALLY BUT DILOOKED AT HIM AND SAY YOU PLAY GUITAR, HE SAID BARELY, WRITE THE NEXT SONG ON GUITAR.

AND THE NEXT SONG WAS CUT BECAUSE -- >> IT GETS YOU A WHOLE DIFFERENT FEEL FOR WHEN YOU WRITE ON DIFFERENT INSTRUMENTS, IT CAN CHANGE THINGS.

LARRY, ONE OF THE COOLEST THINGS, I WILL ALWAYS REMEMBER ABOUT LARRY IS -- I THINK HE MIGHT HAVE PUT IT IN HIS FOR THE RECORD BOOK HE WROTE.

PEOPLE SAY WHAT ADVICE DO YOU HAVE FOR SONGWRITERS?

HE WOULD SAY K I S S, KEEP IT SIMPLE, STUPID.

BECAUSE IT'S HARD VERY DIFFICULT TO WRITE A SIMPLE GREAT SONG.

IT IS.

>> DO YOU USE GUITAR WRITING SONGS?

>> I WRITE FOR BLUEGRASS AND COUNTRY.

BUT I ALSO PLAY PIANO A LITTLE BIT.

AND MY GOSPEL SONGS I WRITE ON PIANO.

>> OWE DO YOU THINK YOU COULD BE A SONG WRITER?

YOU EVER SAY I LOVE WORDS, PART TAKES A DISCIPLINE.

IT'S BASICALLY -- P COMPLEXITY OF POETRY WITH MUSIC.

NOT EVEN HAS THE SKILL TO INTERRELATE BOTH.

INTERPOETRY AND MUSIC.

THAT'S WHAT'S SPECIAL I THINK.

>> YOU TALK ABOUT TAKING THE DISCIPLINE JERRY DO YOU WRITE EVERY DAY?

DO YOU SIT DOWN AND SAY I'M GOING TO WRITE TODAY?

HOW IS IT, -- >> >> FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS, I FIRST STARTED THIS FEST RALLY HAD BLACK HAIR.

FOR YEARS I I WROTE FOR PUBLISHING COMPANIES AND I WOULD GO IN AND WRITE LIKE A JOB.

I REMEMBER BOB MCNEIL WHEN I FIRST CAME TO NASHVILLE I READ AN INTERVIEW AND HE SAID TREAT IT LIKE A JOB, COME IN AT NINE, LEAVE ATE FIVE, SOME DAY IS STAIR AT BLANK PAPER ALL DAY.

IF I WRITE A GREAT LINE, ONE GREAT LINE I HAVE HAD A GREAT DAY.

THAT'S WHAT MADE ME REALIZE I DON'T HAVE TO DO THIS IN A HURRY, I CAN TAKE MY TIME AND THINK ABOUT THIS.

BUT I AM DISCIPLINED.

I STILL WRITE TWO TO THREE DAYS A WEEK.

BUT I HAVE SPECIFIC TIME SET ASIDE NOW.

THAT SAID YOU NEVER EVER TURN THIS OFF.

I LEARNED A LONG TIME AGO WHEN I GET A THOUGHT, THERE'S AN AREA YOU ARE IN BEFORE YOU GO TO SLEEP, WHERE YOU GET THESE IDEAS AND I LEARNED A LONG TIME AGO YOU BETTER GET UP AND WRITE THOSE DOWN BECAUSE THEY ALE BE GONE THE NEXT MORNING.

>> >> DO YOU DREAM SONGS?

>> I HAVEN'T EVER DREAMED A SONG BUT I HAVE DREAMED THINGS THAT ARE SO REAL, PORTER WAGNER CAME TO ME AND IT THRILLS ME SITTING HERE TALKING TO YOU GUYS.

SO I HAVE HAD MUSICAL DREAMS BUT NOT -- I NEVER REALLY DREAMED OF A SONG.

I WISH I COULD.

>> ONE THING I OBSERVED IS SOMETIMES WHEN A GROUP OF CREATIVE PEOPLE GET TOGETHER MAYBE HAVE A BEVERAGE OR TWO SITTING AROUND, THE EXCHANGE OF IDEAS WILL LEAD TO WHAT THEY CALL A HOOK OR JUST A REALLY STRONG IDEA.

SOMETIMES IF YOU ARE WATCHING THEY WILL SCURRY OFF AND MAKE A QUICK NOTE ABOUT IT.

SO THEY CAN GO BACK.

MANY TIMES THOSE LITTLE NUGGETS OF WISDOM DISAPPEAR.

>> THAT'S WHY I SAID YOU CAN'T TURN IT OFF.

YOU ARE CONSTANTLY HEARING THINGS PEOPLE SAY OR READ OR WHATEVER AND YOU ARE MAKING MENTAL NOTES OF THOSE ALL THE TIME.

YOU ARE WRITING THEM DOWN.

>> I STILL HAVE A BIG STACK OF COCKTAIL NAPKINS, PIECES OF PAPER EVERYTHING, BECAUSE THAT WAS BEFORE WE HAD THE PHONES ALWAYS, MAN YOU GOT THE WRITE THIS DOWN WRITE THIS DOWN.

SO I NEVER LEFT WITHOUT A PEN AND PIECE OF PAPER.

>> Q.

OVER THE WEEKEND WE HAD A SHOW WITH SOME GREAT SONGWRITERS FROM NASHVILLE AND WE WERE IN A CONVERSATION WITH JOHN WHO HAPPENS TO HAVE THE NUMBER ONE SONG IN AMERICA.

WE ARE HAVING A CASUAL CONVERSATION PRIOR TO THE SHOW.

SOMEBODY SAID SOMETHING AND JOHN GRABBED HIS PHONE AND SAID BE RIGHT BACK.

BECAUSE IT WAS A HOOK.

>> YOU TALK ABOUT HOOK.

I REMEMBER I'M PARAPHRASING SO I HOPE TO GET THIS SOMEWHAT RIGHT BUT MATT DAVIS WROTE SONG BABY DON'T GET HOOKED ON ME, I REMEMBER SEEING HIM ON TELEVISION TELLING A STORY ABOUT I GUESS HE HAD WRITTEN SONGS AND HE SAID WRITE ME SOMETHING WITH A HOOK AND HE CAME BACK WITH BABY DON'T GET HOOKED ON ME.

>> BY THE WAY -- >> I WAS GOING TO LEAD YOU INTO THAT.

TELL US ABOUT THAT.

>> SATURDAY NIGHT NOVEMBER 9 MAIN ROOM FLORABAMA.

MATT DAVIS ACCOMPANIED BY MIKE LOUDERMILK, JD WAS AN ACCOMPLISHED SONG WRITER WHO CAME TO OUR FESTIVAL OVER THE YEARS, AT LEAST ONE TIME I KNOW.

HE'S NOT ANY MORE BUT IT'S A GREAT SHOW.

YOU KNOW WHAT, JEFF, THAT'S JUST ONE OF MANY.

>> I KNOW, I KNOW.

IT'S -- >> INTERESTING THAT I WAS IN VEGAS MANY MOONS AGO BACK WHEN I HAD A LOT OF MONEY.

AT THE TIME.

I WENT TO MACK DAVIS SHOW AND HE HAD JUST WRITTEN IT'S SO HARD TO BE -- IMPERFECT IN EVERY WAY, LARRY PRODUCED THAT.

I THINK HE HAD JUST -- I RAN INTHE MACK A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO AND HE SAID EVERYTHING I EF DONE IN THE MUSIC BUSINESS, THAT'S WHAT I'M GOING TO BE REMEMBERED FOR.

I SAID AT LEAST YOU'RE GOING TO BE REMEMBERED.

>> HE WROTE GREAT SONGS.

IN THE GHETTO, RIGHT?

>> NUMBER OF ELVIS THINGS.

JUST A BUNCH OF GREAT STUFF.

AND HE WAS A HUGE TELEVISION STAR TOO BACK IN THE '70s.

>> MOVIES AS WELL.

>> I HAD FORGOTTEN THAT.

THAT'S RIGHT.

ABSOLUTELY.

WE ARE HAVING A FASCINATING FUN CONVERSATION HERE ON INSTUDIO WSRE TELEVISION PBS FOR THE GULF COAST.

FRANK BROWN INTERNATIONAL SONGWRITERS FESTIVAL TALKING ABOUT THE 35 YEARS THAT IT'S BEEN IN EXISTENCE.

35 YEARS -- 35th YEAR OF CELEBRATION COMING UP THIS NOVEMBER.

PRODUCER AND DIRECTOR LYNN RABREN IS WORKING ON A DOCUMENTARY ABOUT THE FESTIVAL AND I WANT THE PLAY YOU ANOTHER CLIP FROM HIS UPCOMING FILM ENTITLED "STORIES IN RHYME" >> SONG WRITING TO ME HAS BEEN WAY TO COPE WITH ME.

♪ TENNESSEE, MY MIND COMES ACROSS HER MEMORY ♪ ♪ YESTERDAY IN MARINA DELRAY ♪ MUCK >> SOMEBODY COMES UP AND THEY GO YOUR SONG CHANGED MY LIFE.

THAT'S WHOA I I DO IT.

IT'S LIKE A CALLING.

>> I LOVE DREAMERS.

AND I LOVE PEOPLE THAT COME BACK YEAR AFTER YEAR TO THIS FEST RAIL -- FESTIVAL.

>> WE COULDN'T WAIT TO GO ACROSS THE STREET TO THE HOUSE OVER THERE AND THERE'S 20 SONGWRITERS IN THERE PASSING A GUITAR AROUND.

YOU TALK ABOUT MAGIC.

♪ MY TEMPERATURE IS RISING ♪ >> SONGWRITERS IN EVERY ROOM IN THE HOUSE, EVERY BATHROOM, EVERY BEDROOM.

>> I I COULDN'T HAVE PLAYED IT BETTER.

YOU WOULD HAVE HAD TO BEEN THERE.

WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO IS MUSIC.

AND THE PEOPLE THAT CREATE MUSIC THAT'S WHY IT MADE IT WORK AND MADE IT LAST.

>> THE WHOLE IDEA WAS THAT HAVE A GOOD TIME.

YOU WERE PRETTY GOOD AT IT.

>> WELCOME TO OUR CLUBHOUSE.

>> THERE'S NOTHING LIKE IT.

ON EARTH.

♪ MY BABY LOVE ME ♪ [APPLAUSE] >> LYNN RABREN IS PRODUCER AND DIRECTOR ON THAT, LOOKS LIKE THAT WILL BE A WHALE OF A DOCUMENTARY FILM LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THAT.

JOE, WHAT HAPPENED IN THAT HOUSE ACROSS THE STREET?

WHAT WAS THAT LIKE?

SO WHEN THE BAR CLOSED, THE FLORABAMA CLOSED, EVERYBODY WOULD GO OVER THERE?

>> IT USED TO BE ON THE GULF SIDE, THERE'S ABOUT 200 YARDS FROM THE FLORABAMA.

AT TWO O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING, I TAKE TEN CASES OF BEER AND CASE OF WINE AND 20 OR 30 PEOPLE WOULD GO THERE AND JUST HAVE MUSIC AT A VERY INTENSE CONCENTRATED LEVEL FOR HOURS.

BECAUSE THE PLAYERS WITHER PLAYING FOR EACH OTHER.

IT WAS JUST THAT MUCH MORE STAGE.

IT WAS JUST THE PLAYERS WERE DETERMINED TO DO THEIR VERY BEST AS PERFORMING ARTISTS FOR THEIR PEERS.

AND I THOUGHT IT WAS EXCELLENT.

IT WAS GREAT TO BE THERE.

>> THERE WAS ANOTHER BUILDING ON THE SAME SIDE THAT THE HOUSE WAS ON.

CALLED THE SILVER MOON FOR A LOT OF YEARS WHICH IS AN EXTENSION ALMOST OF THE FLORABAMA.

THE GREATEST SONG WRITERS SHOW I EVER SAW IN MY LIFE WAS IN THAT BUILDING.

MY MENTOR AND ALSO SONG WRITER HALL OF FAME MEMBER JIM MCBRIDE PLAYED OUR SHOWS EARLIER THAT EVENING AND WE DECIDED TO GO TO THE SILVER MOON TO SEE DON WAYNE WHO WROTE COUNTRY BUMPKIN, DAN DEAL DEAL WHO WROTE LONG BLACK VAIL, JIMMY PAYNE WHO WROTE UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: , AND DICK FELLER WHO WROTE EASTBOUND AND DOWN AND I'M TELLING YOU I WILL NEVER, EVER FORGET EVERY WORD THAT WAS SUNG THAT NIGHT, EVERY JOKE THAT WAS TOLD AND JIM MCBRIDE AND I SAT THERE AND CRIED LIKE LITTLE GIRLS AT MOMENTS AND LAUGHED SO HARD WE COULDN'T HARDLY CONTROL OURSELVES.

THAT'S WHAT THIS FESTIVAL IS ALL ABOUT TO ME.

AND WHAT IT MEANS TO ME.

I HAVE LEARNED, THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET ON THAT STAGE AT THE FLORABAMA IS ALMOST SACRED.

AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD, I DO A LOT OF SONGWRITERS FESTIVALS, FEW OF THEM HAVE STRUCTURED THEIR VENUES TO WHERE THEY ACTUALLY LISTEN TO WHAT WE DO.

IT'S JUST INCREDIBLE EXPERIENCE.

>> THAT'S THE THING ABOUT IT PARTICULARLY IN THAT LISTENING ROOM THERE AT THE BAMA.

PEOPLE ARE ENGAGED, IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S BACKGROUND MUSIC OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, IT'S AN ENGAGEMENT AND YOU MENTIONED DON SLITS EARLIER AND PLAYED IT HERE A WEEK OR TWO AGO.

AND JUST THE LEVEL OF ATTENTION RECEIVED IN THE AUDIENCE IS PHENOMENAL.

>> FROM I'M HUMBLED TO BE IN THE PRESENCE OF THESE PEOPLE, THEIR LIVES HAD BEEN SO WRAPPED UP IN THE MUSIC BUSINESS.

JOE DOES NOT GO AROUND LOOKING FOR PATS ON THE BACK AND HIS REWARD I THINK IS BEING INVOLVED LIKE HE HAS, THAT'S BEEN REWARD ENOUGH BUT ONE NIGHT I HEARD DEAN DILLON SAY I DON'T KNOW A MAN ON EARTH THAT'S DONE MORE FOR SONGWRITERS THAN JOE GILCHRIST.

THAT FROM DEAN DILLON'S LIPS.

SAYS A LOT.

>> HOW DOES IT MAKE YOU FEEL JEFF?

>> I TRIED NOT TO MISS ANY FUN EVENT.

EVERYBODY LIKES TO BE RESPECTED.

BUT TO ME, MY LEGACY TO WHAT DEGREE IT IS IS TELL PEOPLE MEET EACH OTHER AND >> NICE TO EACH OTHER AND GO THROUGH LIFE LOOKING FOR BETTER THINGS OUT OF PEOPLE INSTEAD OF NEGATIVE THINGS OUT OF PEOPLE.

THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO LIVE.

>> >> JERRY, I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU, JOE MENTIONED A FEW MINUTES AGO HOW EVERYBODY STEPPED UP THEIR GAME WHEN THEY PLAYED IN FRONT OF PEERS AND WHAT NOT.

SO WHEN YOU GO PLAY IN FRONT OF A BUNCH OF OTHER SONGWRITERS, ARE YOU -- I'M SURE YOU AMPED UP THE GAME BUT ARE YOU MORE NERVOUS THAN PLAYING IN FRONT OF AN AUDIENCE OF NON-SONGWRITERS?

>> I DEFINITELY AM MORE NERVOUS THAN I WOULD BE -- YOU WOULD RATHER PLAY IN FRONT OF 50,000 PEOPLE YOU DON'T KNOW THAN 15 YOU RESPECT AND LOVE.

THAT KIND OF THING.

BUT IT IS KIND OF A FUN THING BECAUSE YOU DO WANT TO DEPENDING WHO IS YOUR AUDIENCE YOU PLAY THE GREATEST SONG.

YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?

IT'S AN INTERESTING OPPORTUNITY HERE WE DON'T ALWAYS GET.

>> WITNESS YOU START WRITING THE SONG HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE FROM START TO FINISH?

EVERY SONG IS DIFFERENT.

EVERY SONG IS DIFFERENT.

I HAVE WRITTEN SONGS MYSELF THAT TAKEN ME A YEAR TO COMPLETE BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S NOT RIGHT I'M WAITING FOR THE ONE LINE TO COME TO ME.

BUT I SAT DOWN, DOING CO-WRITING, WE HAVE WRITTEN HITS IN TWO OR THREE HOURS.

I HAVE NEVER WRITTEN ANYTHING LIKE IN LIVE FINS.

BUT -- MINUTES.

FIVE MINUTES BUT EVERY SONG IS DIFFERENT.

EVERY SONG IS DIFFERENT.

THEY KIND OF COME IN THEIR OWN TIME.

I DON'T LIKE SITTING DOWN WITH SOMEBODY AND SAY HEY WE CAN DO THIS IN THE NEXT HOUR.

WE MAY OR MAY NOT.

DEPENDS ON WHEN IT COMES.

>> WROTE A SONG DURING COMMERCIAL BREAK DURING A FOOTBALL GAME.

IT WAS CUT SEVERAL TIMES.

>> EVER BEEN GIVEN THAT GIFT.

>> I HAD A CHANCE TO TALK WITH MARK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT AND HE TOLD A STORY TALKING HOW THEY WERE BACK AND FORTH ON THE PHONE.

I THINK LARRY WAS -- >> THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THE FOOTBALL GAME, ONE SAID SOMEBODY IS GOING TO LOSE THEY WENT WOO.

AND I'M LIKE -- WHEN THE FOOTBALL GAME THE GUY GOT SCARED THAT HE FORGET TO PAY HIS CABLE BILL, THE FACT LARRY STOPPING DURING A FOOTBALL GAME TO WRITE A SONG IS UNUSUAL BUT THEY DO.

>> WE WERE TALKING EARLIER ABOUT VARIOUS GENRES AN WORKING WITH VARIOUS FOLKS AND LARRY WORKED, IT RAN GAMUT FROM KEN ANY ROGERS, MAC DAVIS TO JULIE ANDREWS.

>> JULIE ANDREWS, SAMMY DAVIS JR..

HE DID WANT A CUT THE PLAY ON EVERY ONE OF THEM, IT WASN'T THE MUST BE HE JUST WANTED THEM TO SING HIS SONG.

WHY WOULD YOU NOT WANT SAMMY DAVIS JR. TO SING YOUR SONG OR JULIE ANDREWS.

OF COURSE HE WAS ALSO JOHNNY CASH, HE WORKED FOR CASH FOR YEARS TOO.

>> WE HAD THE PLEASURE OF SEEING SAMMY DAVIS PERFORM LIVE SIX OR SEVEN TIMES IN VEGAS.

AND WEST COAST AND THE MOST PHENOMENAL LEADER YOU COULD HOPE TO SEE, WHAT A -- MADE YOU FEEL LIKE HE WOULD TEAR HIS HEART OUT IF HE COULD ON STAGE, TO SHOW HIS LOVE FOR WHAT HE WAS DOING.

IT WAS JUST A FLASH BACK, WHAT A TRUE ARTIST CAN DO WITH MUSIC.

>> SPEAKING OF THAT, JERRY, I'LL WEIGH IN ON THIS, GREAT SINGER MAKE AN AVERAGE OR SUBPAR SONG GREAT OR HIT?

>> I THINK IT'S THE OPPOSITE.

AN AVERAGE SINGER CAN TAKE A GREAT SONG AND HAVE A HIT.

MAYBE I'M JUST BEING -- I'M A SONG WRITER AND I WANT TO BELIEVE THAT.

THERE IS A LOT OF GREAT SINGER AND THERE'S AVERAGE SINGERS AND I REALLY BELIEVE A LOT OF THE PEOPLE THAT WE KNOW IN THE MUSIC BUSINESS WHO HAVE BEEN BIG STARS, BECAME STARS BECAUSE OF THE SONGS THEY RECORDED.

I REALLY BELIEVE THAT.

THERE'S A LOT OF GREAT SINGERS DON'T GET ME WRONG BUT AVERAGE SING EVERYTHING TO TAKE A GREAT SONG AND BECOME A STAR.

>> DON'T YOU BELIEVE THE PRODUCER COMES INTO PLAY AS WELL.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> KENNY ROGERS DID NOT WANT TO DO LUCILLE.

AND THAT WAS A CAREER RECORD.

HE REALLY DIDN'T -- KENNY IS A GREAT GUY, HE'S A GOOD SONG PERSON BUT HE JUST DIDN'T FEEL THE SONG AND LARRY KEPT SAYING NO.

I REALLY THINK YOU SHOULD DO THIS, THEY CUT IT IN THE LAST 15 MINUTES OF THE LAST SESSION, GUYS JUST GIVE ME THIS.

>> THAT'S AMAZING.

ISN'T IT?

>> TRUE.

>> I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU ABOUT THAT, YOU SEE FOLKS GOING THEY ARE NOT THAT GREAT A SINGER OR PERFORMER OR WHATEVER BUT THE SONG IS REALLY GOOD, LIKE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT,, THERE'S A FAIR AMOUNT OF GOOD SINGERS FAIR AMOUNT OF GOOD GUITAR PLAYERS BUT NOT A LOT OF FOLKS WHO COULD WRITE AND WRITE WELL.

IT REALLY DOES BEGIN WITH A SONG.

THAT'S THE -- LOOK AT THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE HAD AN ARTIST CAREER.

WHO MAYBE ONLY HAD ONE HIT.

WHY?

BECAUSE THEY MAY BE THEY DIDN'T CUT -- HE DIDN'T HAVE A LARRY BUTLER TELLING THEM THIS IS WHAT YOU KNEE TO DO NEXT.

>> LOOK HOW SMART GEORGE STRAIT WAS.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

HE KEPT COMING BACK THE SAME WELL.

AND SOME ARTISTS DON'T DO THAT.

>> VERY INTERESTING.

YOU WATCHING INSTUDIO ON WSRE TELEVISION, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE FRANK BROWN INTERNATIONAL SONGWRITERS FESTIVAL AS IT PREPARES TO CELEBRATE ITS 35th ANNIVERSARY.

BY THE WAY, ONE OF THE LEGENDS WHO PARTICIPATED IN THE FESTIVAL WAS GRAMMY AWARD WINNING PRODUCER LARRY BUTLER.

WE LOST HIM JANUARY OF 2012 BUT HIS INFLUENCE AND TALENT RESONATES THROUGH THE MUSIC INDUSTRY.

I WANT TO SHARE A CLIP OF LARRY FROM AN INTERVIEW THAT I DID WITH HIM BACK IN 2009, AS WELL AS SOME CLIPS FROM SOME OF HIS MUSIC INDUSTRY FRIENDS.

TALKING ABOUT HIS INFLUENCE ON THEIR CAREERS.

>> ONCE YOU LEARN THE GOLDEN RULE, THAT IS LISTEN TO THE SONG, RETE THE SONG TELL YOU WHAT IT WANTS, THAT'S THE WAY I MAKE MUSIC.

THE SONG IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF THE RECORD.

>> HE WAS THE SALESMAN AND A HALF.

LET ME TELL YOU, LARRY OOZED AND REEKED WITH CHARISMA.

HE HAD THIS -- HE HAD THIS GRIN AND SMILE LIKE THE GRINCH.

HE KIND OF EVERY TIME HE HAD SOMETHING GOING ON IN -- MIND THOSE EYES AND YOU KNEW, HE ALWAYS HAD A WINK.

YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

AND KIND OF HAD THAT LITTLE SLY GRIN LIKE THE GRINCH.

THAT'S WHAT I ALWAYS LIKED ABOUT IT.

YOU KNEW THERE WAS SO MUCH BEHIND THAT SMILE AND EVERYBODY KNOWS, HUGE HEART BEHIND THAT.

>> WITHOUT LARRY BUTLER IN MY CAREER I PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE HAD NEAR THE CAREER THAT I DO YOU HAVE.

AS A MATTER OF FACT, HE RECORDED A SONG THAT I WROTE OLD RED A HIT BY BLAKE SHELLTON ON KENNY ROGERS LONG BEFORE ANYBODY ELSE EVER DID.

HE'S BEEN A BIG INFLUENCE IN MY LIFE AND MY CAREER.

WRITE WITH LARRY, IF YOU ARE -- IF YOU WERE NEW AT IT, WHEN I FIRST GOT TO WORK WITH HIM, IT WAS MY MOUTH DROPPED OPEN BECAUSE I STRUGGLE STRUGGLE STRUGGLE OVER PLAY FOR HIM AND HE PICKS IT JUST LIKE THAT.

>> HOW DO YOU DO THAT?

HE SAID I JUST GOOD.

>> ONE OF THE MOST POSITIVE PEOPLE I HAVE BEEN AROUND.

I NEVER SAW HIM BE DOWN ABOUT ANYTHING.

HE WAS ALWAYS VERY POSITIVE.

UPLIFTING AND ALWAYS HAD HOPE.

HE WAS A GUY OF HOPE.

>> THAT WAS A NEAT EXPERIENCE TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO SOME OF THOSE GUYS.

WOW, THAT SAYS AN AWFUL LOT ABOUT HIM.

TALKING ABOUT HIM AND THE RESPECT THEY HAD.

>> HE'S A GOOD GUY.

>> ENCOURAGER.

>> WE WENT TO HIGH SCHOOL TOGETHER.

HE HE WANTED UP GOING TO ESCAMBIA IN THE 11th AND 12th GRADE AND I STAYED AT PENSACOLA HIGH BUT WE MET EACH OTHER SOME IN JUNIOR HIGH, LARRY AT THE TIME WAS ALREADY WORKING AS A PROFESSIONAL DEE JAY.

AND HE WAS ON THE LYNN TONY SHOW.

SO HE WAS LIKE SHOW BIZ ALREADY.

>> YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT, THE LYNN TONY SHOW, IF YOU MENTION LARRY PEOPLE GO I REMEMBER HIM WHEN HE WAS A LITTLE GUY DOING THAT.

>> LATER IN LIFE I LOOK BACK AND THINK THE POOR GUY, WHAT HE WENT THROUGH, LYNN TONY WEIGHED 90 POUNDS, WORE LE PERKED SKIN SUIT AND BY THEN -- LE FORKED SKIN SUIT AND LEE ROY WAS 5 MONEY POUNDS YOU'REALLS AND LARRY WAS A SKINNY PIMPLE FACE KID IN HIGH SCHOOL PLAYING BEEIA KNOW.

HE WAS JUST THROWN IN THIS MIX OF CHARACTERS AND DID WELL.

IN FACT HIS SISTER WOULD OCCASIONALLY COME AND SING.

>> AND DIDN'T THEY HAVE KIDS THAT WOULD GET ON THE SHOW -- >> IT WAS LIKE -- YEAH THEY HAD KIDS IN THE AUDIENCE.

THEY WOULD HAVE A LITTLE THING WHERE KIDS WOULD COME IN THE AFTERNOON.

KIND OF LIKE THE HOWDY DOODY SHOW IN THAT SENSE.

>> THAT WAS MANY YEARS AGO, THAT WAS ON FROM THOSE FOLKS WHO ARE LONG TIME NORTHWEST FLORIDA RESIDENTS BUT IT WAS ON CHANNEL 3, ABC AFFILIATE BACK IN THE DAY AND MANY PEOPLE WOULD REMEMBER THAT.

I MEAN, IT WAS A LITTLE BEFORE MY TIME BUT I HAD PEOPLE YEARS TALK ABOUT THOSE.

>> A FEW OF US ANCIENT PEOPLE.

>> THE JOE SAYS OFTEN, MUSIC MAKES THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE.

TRUER WORDS WERE NEVER SPOKEN.

>> I AGREE.

WE TOUCHED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE FOND -- PEGGY, LET ME -- HOW DID YOU COME UP WITH THAT IDEA?

WHAT MADE YOU WANT TO DO THAT ABOUT THE FUND AT UWF?

>> COLLIER MER REEL WAS INSTRUMENTAL GETTING HIM A DOCTORATE'S DEGREE AT UWF.

THAT'S WHY I CHOSE UWF.

JUST WANTING TO GIVE BACK AND TO DO SOMETHING POSITIVE.

SO THE FOOFOO FESTIVAL STARTED AND WE GOT A GRANT TO DO FIRST SHOW AT THE PENSACOLA LITTLE THEATER WHICH IS DON SLITS.

THAT WAS A GREAT THEATER BUT I VIVIDLY REMEMBER SITTING THERE GOING I GOT TO HAVE HIM IN THE MAIN ROOM FLORABAMA THOUGH BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE A GREAT VENUE FOR HIM.

NOTHING BETTER THAN RAISING MONEY FOR THE ARTS WITH THE ARTS.

>> >> ABSOLUTELY.

>> AND PRETTY MUCH EVERY YEAR LIKE YOU DO A SPECIAL PERFORMANCE YOU HAVE SOMEBODY COME IN.

>> IT'S ALWAYS SONGWRITERS, YES, WE JUST DID A SHOW AT VINYL MUSIC HALL.

IT WAS SATURDAY NIGHT.

WASN'T IT?

WHO ALL DID WE HAVE?

>> JT HARDY LINDSEY RHYMES AND JOHN KNIGHT.

>> IT WAS A GOOD TIME.

ALSO BRINGING INTO TOWN EDUCATING PEOPLE WHAT WE OOH ARE DOING.

BUT WE HAVE HAD HALL OF FAME WRITERS, CURRENT WRITERS, JUST GREAT PEOPLE.

DEAN DILLON PLAYED VINYL LAST NOVEMBER AND DID IT AND IT WAS ONLY DEAN COULD PLAY VENUE THAT BIG AND YOU COULD HEAR A PIN DROP, AMAZING.

>> THIS IS SOMETHING YOU WANT TO CONTINUE TO GROW AND -- >> YES.

I HOPE TO DO SOMETHING NEXT YEAR VERY SPECIAL CALLED -- IT WOULD BE SONGWRITERS AND SYMPHONY, I HAVE THREE HIT SONGWRTERS AND THE PENSACOLA SYMPHONY BEHIND THEM.

>> THAT WOULD BE AWESOME.

THAT WOULD BE REALLY COOL.

ABSOLUTELY.

YOU TALKED ABOUT EARLIER JUST ALL THE STUDENTS THAT HAVE DREAMS OF BEING IN THE MUSIC BUSINESS OR WHATEVER AND THE FUN HELPING THEM AND GIVING THEM OPPORTUNITIES AND STUFF.

I KNOW WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS, BUT I KNOW ONE THING YOU GUYS WANT TO DO IS HAVE THIS FESTIVAL BECOME MORE THAN JUST FESTIVAL BUT MAKE IMPACT IN THE COMMUNITY HELPING PEOPLE.

>> >> OUR OUTREACH TO THE COMMUNITY IS IMPORTANT, IT MAIN MEANS THE WORLD TO JOE AND I'M PROUD AND PLEASED TO BE ABLE TO BE PART OF IT.

>> WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS CRITICAL.

BECAUSE I THINK MOST FOLKS AT LEAST PARENTS REALIZE THIS, WHEN WE WERE ALL GROWING UP WE HAD MUSIC TEACHERS IN OUR SCHOOLS.

WE WOULD HAVE MUSIC THAT WOULD BE ONE OUR PLACE OF THINGS WE WENT TO DO.

THERE ARE VERY, VERY FEW IF ANY MUSIC TEACHERS LEFT IN SCHOOLS.

UNTIL YOU GET TO HIGH SCHOOL.

YOU HAVE YOUR ORCHESTRA AND YOUR BAND.

BUT I'M TALKING ELEMENTARY.

WHEN I WAS IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL WE HAD MUSIC TEACHERS MOST SCHOOL SYSTEMS AT LEAST WHERE I LIVE THERE AREN'T ANY MORE.

SO WHAT THEY ARE DOING AND THE PROGRAMS THE MONEY THEY ARE RAISING ALLOWS TO HAPPEN, IS CRITICAL TO ENCOURAGE YOUNG PEOPLE TO WANT TO PURSUE ANY KIND OF CAREER IN MUSIC.

>> WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE YOUTH SHOWCASE EARLIER AND THE FACT THEY PLAYED IN FRONT OF THEIR PEERS.

ANDY TALK ABOUT THAT BECAUSE YOU GUYS ACTUALLY BRING IN OTHER HIGH SCHOOL OR MAYBE MIDDLE SCHOOL STUDENTS TO WATCH YOUNG FOLKS PLAY.

>> THE ONE WE HAVE BEEN STAGENING BALDWIN COUNTY WE INVITE ALL MIDDLE SCHOOLS AND HIGH SCHOOLS.

WE HAVE HAD AS MANY AS 350 KIDS ATTEND THE SESSIONS OVER THE YEARS.

WE ARE JUST IN THE PROCESS OF DEVELOPING THE YOUTH SHOWCASE HERE IN PENSACOLA.

AS YOU WITNESS WITH YOUR DAUGHTER OVER GOING TO THE ONE IN GULF SHORES WE WANT TO PUT ON TOO SO WE CAN REACH MORE PEOPLE.

BUT IT HAS BEEN IN GULF SHORES UNTIL NOW, WE INVITE I THINK SEVEN HIGH SCHOOLS OVER IN ESCAMBIA COUNTY, THEY AND ALL THE MIDDLE SCHOOLS WILL BE INVITE TO THE NEXT ONE.

WE ALSO DO SCHOLARSHIPS FOR COLLEGE BOUND HIGH SCHOOL SENIORS IN BALDWIN AND ESCAMBIA COUNTY AND WE ASKED THEM TO SUBMIT ESSAYS TO TELL US ABOUT THE ROLE MUSIC PLAYS IN THEIR LIVES AND WHAT THEY SEE, HOW THEY SEE IT SHAPING THEIR FUTURE.

WE GET THESE ESSAYS AN READ THESE ESSAYS AND I TOLD JOE TIME AND AGAIN I WISH WE HAD THE MONEY TO GIVE EVERY ONE OF THESE KIDS THAT WE CAN FUND EVERY ONE OF THEIR EDUCATIONS, UNFORTUNATELY WE CAN'T BUT MAYBE CAN DO MORE THINGS ALONG THE WAY.

>> THAT THAT'S AWESOME.

HOW DOES SOMEONE GET INVOLVED, THEY WANT TO KNOW ABOUT THAT FOR EXAMPLE THE YOUTH SHOWCASE HOW WOULD THEY FIND OUT MORE ABOUT THAT?

>> THE INFORMATION IS ON OUR WEBSITE, FRANKBROWNSONGWRITERS.COM.

>> OBVIOUSLY A NO BRAINER WHEN YOU INVITE DILLONS OF THE WORLD AND JERRY SALLIES OF THE WORLD BUT IF YOU HAVE UP AND COMING SONG WRITER INTERESTED IN PLAYING AT THE INTERNATIONAL SONGWRITERS, HOW DO THEY GET IN FRONT OF YOU >> AT THE FIRST OF THE YEAR ON OUR WEBSITE WE PUT IN AN APPLY TO PLAY TAB.

WE TAKE SUBMISSIONS AND HAVE A COMMITTEE THAT SITS DOWN AND FOLKS THAT GRANDFATHERED IN AND BUT WE -- WHAT WE TRY TO DO IS BE RESPECTFUL ALL THE PEOPLE SUPPORTED THE FESTIVAL ALL THESE YEARS AND JOE IS PARTICULARLY -- PARTICULAR ABOUT THAT.

BUT THEN WE TRY TO INTRODUCE AND ENCOURAGE NEW FOLKS AS WELL.

BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT'S THE TOUGHEST PART OF PUTTING ON THE FESTIVAL, WE HAD 500 APPLICATIONS THIS YEAR WITH 200 SLOTS THE PLAY.

BREAKS MY HEART I WANT THEM ALL TO COME PLAY.

>> WHAT HAVE YOU NOTICED, THROWING THIS TO THE WHOLE TABLE, WHAT HAVE YOU NOTICED OVER THE YEARS HOW WRITERS CHANGED AND HOW SONGS HAVE CHANGED?

WHAT'S DIFFERENT ABOUT SAY THE LATE '7'S, '80s AND IN THE '90s COMPARED TO WHAT YOU ARE SEEING TODAY?

>> WE ARE VERY FORTUNATE AT A POINT WHEN THE SONGWRITERS FESTIVAL WAS GROWING, THAT WE MET SOME OF THE VERY BEST CREATORS OF MUSIC IN THE WORLD.

MICEY NEW ATHLETE BERRY, LANE HAD 40 SOMETHING CUTS WITH MERL HAGGARD.

THESE ARE STANDARD WRITERS THAT WERE SO SPECIAL.

THROUGH TIME MANY OF THOSE ARE NO LONGER WITH US.

SO THE WHOLE IDEA WAS TO ALWAYS BE CONSTANTLY REACHING OUT TO PEOPLE THAT ARE LEARNING TO BE WRITERS AND TO PEOPLE THAT ARE ACHIEVE SOME COMMERCIAL SUCCESS.

BUT ANYWAY, WE STARTED OFF WITH SO MANY GREAT PLAYERS INCLUDING A LOT OF LOCAL PLAYERS.

HE'S HAD TO KEEP UP WITH THE EVOLVING CIRCUMSTANCES OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE NO LONGER COMING DOWN HERE AND NEW PEOPLE GETTING THEM INVOLVED.

IT'S A CHALLENGE.

>> STYLES CHANGE A LITTLE BIT OVER THE YEARS.

>> IT HAS.

THAT'S PROBABLY WHY THERE ARE MORE BLUEGRASS THESE DAYS THAN I DO COUNTRY BECAUSE WE STILL WRITE A LOT OF STORY SONGS.

THEY STILL DO THAT IN COUNTRY BUT THE CRAFT CHANGED QUITE A BIT AND THE STYLES HAVE CHANGED.

BE HONEST ABOUT IT.

I WAS LISTENING TO SOME JOHN DENVER LAST NIGHT AND THOUGHT WOW THAT'S MORE COUNTRY THAN SOME OF TODAY'S COUNTRY IS REALLY IS.

BUT IT'S ALL -- IT'S GOOD, JUST A DIFFERENT KIND OF GOOD.

MAKE SENSE?

THE CRAFT HAS CHANGED.

THE WAY I WOULD CRAFT A LYRIC OR TELL A STORY IS DIFFERENT FROM THE STANDPOINT OF THE WAY THE MUSIC IS PLAYED, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?

IT CAN BE SOME CALL IT HIP HOP OR POP.

THE WAY THEY PHRASE THINGS IN THE COUNTRY SONGS CAN BE DIFFERENT.

I SAY THAT AND YOU LISTEN TO CHRIS STAPLETON AND HE'LL WRITE OR RECORD A SONG THAT COULD HAVE BEEN WRITTEN 20 YEARS AGO.

SO SOME THINGS STAY THE SAME.

>> -- SONG WAS WRITTEN 30 YEARS AGO.

>> EXACTLY RIGHT.

I WAS FORTUNATE TO HAVE A SONG, CHRIS LOST TRAPPER ALBUM.

CHRIS'S TAKE ON THE GEORGE HIT THAT CHRIS RECORDED, THAT WAS LIKE A BRAND NEW -- THERE WERE NEW FANS TO THAT SONG THAT NEVER HEARD THAT SONG BEFORE IN THEIR LIFE.

>> BE INTERESTING TO SEE AS TIME ROLLS AROUND, MAYBE SOME OF THESE OLD CLASSIC SONGS MIGHT GET RECUT BY SOME MODERN DAY ARTIST.

>> TO SOME DEGREE.

ALL THE TIME AND HAS HAPPENED TO SOME DEGREE THROUGH THE LAST 50 YEARS, FACE IT, THERE WERE PEOPLE DOING EASY 50 YEARS AGO THAT BECAME MORE POPULAR AGAIN 20 YEARS AGO, IT CYCLES.

>> THE TESTIMONY TEN WHISKY THING, I CAN'T TELL YOU PEOPLE WHO NEVER HEARD THAT SONG IN THEIR LIFE UNTIL CHRIS RECORDED IT.

>> HE DID A GREAT JOB RECORDING IT.

WHAT YOU LOOK FOR IS AN ARTIST THAT INTERPRETS THE EMOTIONS THAT THE ORIGINAL SONGWRITERS HAS, SAID EARLIER, A LOT OF TIMES THE ORIGINAL WRITER CREATES A MUCH MORE EMOTIONAL IMAGE WHEN HE SEES IT.

BUT YOU GET SOMEONE THAT NAILS IT.

>> THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT'S COOL ABOUT THE FESTIVAL YOU HEAR THE WRITER SING IT THE WAY HE WROTE IT.

YOU FEEL WHAT HE FELT HAS HE WROTE IT.

>> THIS HAS BEEN AWESOME.

FRANK BROWN INTERNATIONAL SONGWRITERS FESTIVAL NOVEMBER 7 THROUGH 17th.

35 YEARS THIS YEAR.

THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT ON THIS EDITION OF INSTUDIO.

THE FRANK BROWN INTERNATIONAL SONGWRITERS FESTIVAL.

GUESTS PEGGY BUTLER, ANDY HAYNES, JOE GILCHRIST AND JERRY SALLEY, THE SHOW WILL BE ON WSRE.ORG AS WELL AS YOUTUBE.

FEEL FREE TO SHARE ALL OVER THE SOCIAL MEDIA LANDSCAPE.

I'M JEFF WEEKS, I CERTAINLY HOPE YOU ENJOY THIS BROADCAST.

TAKE WONDERFUL CARE OF YOURSELF.

WE WILL CLOSE THIS OUT WITH OUR OLD FRIEND LARRY BUTLER WITH A SONG HE CO-WROTE WITH CHIPS MOMEN FAMOUS BY BJ THOMAS, HEY WON'T YOU PLAY ANOTHER SOMEBODY DONE SOMEBODY WRONG SONG.

♪ IT'S LONELY OUT TONIGHT ♪ ♪ AND THE FEELING JUST GOT RIGHT ♪ ♪ A BRAND NEW LOVE SONG ♪ ♪ A SOMEBODY DONE SOMEBODY WRONG SONG ♪ ♪ HEY, WON'T YOU PLAY ANOTHER SOMEBODY DONE SOMEBODY WRONG SONG ♪ ♪ MADE ME FEEL AT HOME WHILE I MISS MY BABY ♪ ♪ I MISS MY BABY ♪ ♪ SO PLEASE PLAY FOR ME A SAD MELODY ♪ ♪ SO SAD THAT IT MAKES EVERYBODY CRY ♪ ♪ A REAL HURTING SONG ABOUT LOVE THAT'S GONE WRONG ♪ ♪ BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO CRY ALL ALONE ♪ ♪ MUCK SO HEY, WON'T YOU PLAY, ANOTHER SOMEBODY DONE SOMEBODY WRONG SONG ♪ ♪ THEY MAKE ME FEEL AT HOME ♪ ♪ WHILE I MISS MY BABY ♪ ♪ I MISS MY BABY ♪ ♪ I MISS MY BABY, WHILE I MISS MY BABY MUCK ♪